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	<title>Comments on: My depression in Waterloo, part 13: dropping out</title>
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		<title>By: davinci</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-14865</link>
		<dc:creator>davinci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have answered most of your points &lt;a href=&quot;http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2011/03/most-advice-given-to-people-with-abusive-parents-is-wrong/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  If my parents had sexually abused me, would your advice be any different, and if so, why?

If you&#039;ve read the rest of my autobiography, you&#039;ll see that, like many abused children, &lt;a href=&quot;http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/05/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-2-role-reversal-and-sacrifice/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the roles were reversed&lt;/a&gt; in my family.  I was the one making the sacrifices for their careers, health, and so on.  Furthermore, all the good things that contributed to who I am today were done by &lt;a href=&quot;http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/04/the-causes-of-my-depression-part-6-how-mrs-mallo-saved-my-academic-career/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other people &lt;i&gt;in defiance&lt;/i&gt; of my parents&lt;/a&gt;.  

You are simply wrong about my parents&#039; intentions.  They prevented me from applying for scholarships and accepting jobs that would have paid for my education and put me in an advantageous position for my career.  It was more important for them to be able to brag that they had financially supported me, than it was for me to actually be in a financially good situation.  I took on debts that I never would have incurred without their interference.

On what grounds can you claim that anyone&#039;s parents knows what he needs better than himself or his teachers?  Whenever my teachers or professors told my parents what I needed to succeed, they would actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/04/the-causes-of-my-depression-part-4-the-mentorship-program/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;go out of their way to prevent me&lt;/a&gt; from doing it.  Again, they were primarily concerned not with my success, but with &lt;i&gt;being able to take credit&lt;/i&gt; for my success.  

I appreciate that you have good intentions and don&#039;t want to believe that some parents are horrible human beings, but the fact is that there are horrible people in the world, and some of them are parents.  Refusing to acknowledge this doesn&#039;t do anyone any good, especially abused children who are constantly told by society to suppress their emotions to their own detriment.

-- davinci</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have answered most of your points <a href="http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2011/03/most-advice-given-to-people-with-abusive-parents-is-wrong/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  If my parents had sexually abused me, would your advice be any different, and if so, why?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve read the rest of my autobiography, you&#8217;ll see that, like many abused children, <a href="http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/05/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-2-role-reversal-and-sacrifice/" rel="nofollow">the roles were reversed</a> in my family.  I was the one making the sacrifices for their careers, health, and so on.  Furthermore, all the good things that contributed to who I am today were done by <a href="http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/04/the-causes-of-my-depression-part-6-how-mrs-mallo-saved-my-academic-career/" rel="nofollow">other people <i>in defiance</i> of my parents</a>.  </p>
<p>You are simply wrong about my parents&#8217; intentions.  They prevented me from applying for scholarships and accepting jobs that would have paid for my education and put me in an advantageous position for my career.  It was more important for them to be able to brag that they had financially supported me, than it was for me to actually be in a financially good situation.  I took on debts that I never would have incurred without their interference.</p>
<p>On what grounds can you claim that anyone&#8217;s parents knows what he needs better than himself or his teachers?  Whenever my teachers or professors told my parents what I needed to succeed, they would actually <a href="http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/04/the-causes-of-my-depression-part-4-the-mentorship-program/" rel="nofollow">go out of their way to prevent me</a> from doing it.  Again, they were primarily concerned not with my success, but with <i>being able to take credit</i> for my success.  </p>
<p>I appreciate that you have good intentions and don&#8217;t want to believe that some parents are horrible human beings, but the fact is that there are horrible people in the world, and some of them are parents.  Refusing to acknowledge this doesn&#8217;t do anyone any good, especially abused children who are constantly told by society to suppress their emotions to their own detriment.</p>
<p>&#8211; davinci</p>
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		<title>By: Most advice given to people with abusive parents is wrong &#171; davinci’s notebook</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-14864</link>
		<dc:creator>Most advice given to people with abusive parents is wrong &#171; davinci’s notebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and offered opportunities unavailable to other students, and so on, was not pride, but rage. He repeatedly took steps to prevent me from continuing to be academically successful. When my mother learned that I was receiving praise [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and offered opportunities unavailable to other students, and so on, was not pride, but rage. He repeatedly took steps to prevent me from continuing to be academically successful. When my mother learned that I was receiving praise [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Roxdale</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-14859</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Roxdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 03:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask not what your parents have done FOR you; ask what you have done FOR your parents!

Ask not what your parents have done TO you; ask what you have done TO your parents!

Think about the many sleepless nights they had when you were a baby, when you were sick, when you ......

Haven&#039;t your parents done a single &quot;good&quot; thing that contributed to what and who you are today?

From your blog, I believe your parents are first-generation immigrants from China or Hong Kong. Do you realize how difficult it is to be uprooted from they place when they grew up and re-settle in a new country? Do you know how difficult it is to give you a safe shelter and to put food on the table?

While your parents&#039; way of treating you were ridiculous, I don&#039;t believe they did so to intentionally destroy your life. You might not appreciate their dream of your future, I think your parents worked hard to save dime by dime to send you to university. Did they drive luxurious cars? Did they go out to eat all the time? Did they go on holidays during March breaks? Did they buy extravagant clothing? Did they ever leave you hungry when you went to bed? Did your mom prepare you breakfast before you went our of bed? 

I believe your parents and you have one single thing in common -- that is to make sure you will succeed in your life. The only difference between them and you is the means of doing so. Your parents wanted you to follow a path that they thought might be best for you, and you wanted to do it your own way. That was where the conflict was coming from.

You know what you WANT, your parents know what you NEED (to survive in this competitive world).

There are many people who have life objectives different from their parents&#039; expectations. Many of them were able to fulfill the dream of their parents (for example to be a medical doctor), and at the same time were able to pursuit their own dream (for example to be a musician). Are you not aware of examples of people who are medical doctors and musicians? Or engineers and artists, scientists and humanitists, etc.

I understand your resentment of the ways your parents treated you, I don&#039;t really understand why you are so angry.

Your parents have spent many hard working years to bring you from a baby to a grown-up man. Now, when they are getting old (I don&#039;t know how old they actually are), where are you?

Human being differs from other species of animals in one thing, that is to return the work of their parents in their upbringing by taking care of them when their parents need the care. 

You can continue to perpetuate your anger toward your parents. You can continue to blame they for your depression and the eventual dropping out from your doctoral study. 

Who will benefit from your anger? Who will suffer from your anger?

Who will benefit from your blaming your parents? Who will suffer from your blaming your parents?

Will the perpetuation of your anger lead to great success in your life? Will the perpetuation of your anger lead to a healthy body for yourself?

Will the perpetuation of your anger bring back your original dream (to be of the greatest minds in quantum computing)? 

I think you will be a parent one day (or very soon). You will then realize it&#039;s a much much more difficult and thankless task than you think.

Give my words some thought, young man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask not what your parents have done FOR you; ask what you have done FOR your parents!</p>
<p>Ask not what your parents have done TO you; ask what you have done TO your parents!</p>
<p>Think about the many sleepless nights they had when you were a baby, when you were sick, when you &#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t your parents done a single &#8220;good&#8221; thing that contributed to what and who you are today?</p>
<p>From your blog, I believe your parents are first-generation immigrants from China or Hong Kong. Do you realize how difficult it is to be uprooted from they place when they grew up and re-settle in a new country? Do you know how difficult it is to give you a safe shelter and to put food on the table?</p>
<p>While your parents&#8217; way of treating you were ridiculous, I don&#8217;t believe they did so to intentionally destroy your life. You might not appreciate their dream of your future, I think your parents worked hard to save dime by dime to send you to university. Did they drive luxurious cars? Did they go out to eat all the time? Did they go on holidays during March breaks? Did they buy extravagant clothing? Did they ever leave you hungry when you went to bed? Did your mom prepare you breakfast before you went our of bed? </p>
<p>I believe your parents and you have one single thing in common &#8212; that is to make sure you will succeed in your life. The only difference between them and you is the means of doing so. Your parents wanted you to follow a path that they thought might be best for you, and you wanted to do it your own way. That was where the conflict was coming from.</p>
<p>You know what you WANT, your parents know what you NEED (to survive in this competitive world).</p>
<p>There are many people who have life objectives different from their parents&#8217; expectations. Many of them were able to fulfill the dream of their parents (for example to be a medical doctor), and at the same time were able to pursuit their own dream (for example to be a musician). Are you not aware of examples of people who are medical doctors and musicians? Or engineers and artists, scientists and humanitists, etc.</p>
<p>I understand your resentment of the ways your parents treated you, I don&#8217;t really understand why you are so angry.</p>
<p>Your parents have spent many hard working years to bring you from a baby to a grown-up man. Now, when they are getting old (I don&#8217;t know how old they actually are), where are you?</p>
<p>Human being differs from other species of animals in one thing, that is to return the work of their parents in their upbringing by taking care of them when their parents need the care. </p>
<p>You can continue to perpetuate your anger toward your parents. You can continue to blame they for your depression and the eventual dropping out from your doctoral study. </p>
<p>Who will benefit from your anger? Who will suffer from your anger?</p>
<p>Who will benefit from your blaming your parents? Who will suffer from your blaming your parents?</p>
<p>Will the perpetuation of your anger lead to great success in your life? Will the perpetuation of your anger lead to a healthy body for yourself?</p>
<p>Will the perpetuation of your anger bring back your original dream (to be of the greatest minds in quantum computing)? </p>
<p>I think you will be a parent one day (or very soon). You will then realize it&#8217;s a much much more difficult and thankless task than you think.</p>
<p>Give my words some thought, young man.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-9718</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i apologize for misreading stefs commment.  should have been more careful. however, wherever life&#039;s path takes you i wish you well and thanks for sharing your journey so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i apologize for misreading stefs commment.  should have been more careful. however, wherever life&#8217;s path takes you i wish you well and thanks for sharing your journey so far.</p>
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		<title>By: davinci</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-9717</link>
		<dc:creator>davinci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really at peace with it and want to go back.  I&#039;m just being realistic about the fact that it probably won&#039;t happen.  I&#039;m not depressed about my situation.  Now I&#039;m actually kind of angry about it.

(Also, I&#039;m not the musician -- I think you misread Stef&#039;s comments above as a part of my post.)

-- davinci</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really at peace with it and want to go back.  I&#8217;m just being realistic about the fact that it probably won&#8217;t happen.  I&#8217;m not depressed about my situation.  Now I&#8217;m actually kind of angry about it.</p>
<p>(Also, I&#8217;m not the musician &#8212; I think you misread Stef&#8217;s comments above as a part of my post.)</p>
<p>&#8211; davinci</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-9713</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry to hear that you have left the world of acedemia. you obviously struggled
with the decision but appear to have interalized it and are at peace with it.  glad to hear about your love for and talent in the field of music. hope it brings some happiness and fulfillment in your life.  i have lived with a family member who has suffered from depression all of their adult life and the one thing that has complicated it throughout is a lack of self estem and social anxiety.  if these two things are part of your experience i urge
 you to deal with them lest they drag you down further. for now life has changed, not ended and i am confident that you will conquer your issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry to hear that you have left the world of acedemia. you obviously struggled<br />
with the decision but appear to have interalized it and are at peace with it.  glad to hear about your love for and talent in the field of music. hope it brings some happiness and fulfillment in your life.  i have lived with a family member who has suffered from depression all of their adult life and the one thing that has complicated it throughout is a lack of self estem and social anxiety.  if these two things are part of your experience i urge</p>
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you to deal with them lest they drag you down further. for now life has changed, not ended and i am confident that you will conquer your issues.
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		<title>By: davinci</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-9691</link>
		<dc:creator>davinci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 03:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the encouragement, nick.  I&#039;ve left the field.  I wish I can add &quot;for now&quot;, and I want to go back, but for someone who has left academia (and in particular, someone who has dropped out of school, as I have), the probability of getting back into academia again is quite slim.

-- davinci</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the encouragement, nick.  I&#8217;ve left the field.  I wish I can add &#8220;for now&#8221;, and I want to go back, but for someone who has left academia (and in particular, someone who has dropped out of school, as I have), the probability of getting back into academia again is quite slim.</p>
<p>&#8211; davinci</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-8792</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what an awful experience that must have been.  try to remember that the earth is over 4 billion years old and our time here is &quot;quantum&quot; in its length.  do what it takes to put this mess behind you and get on with the wonderful work you and others are doing in the field of quantum computing.  you have a unique and special gift and a chance to be part of something that may well change things in a major way for those who will follow you in the next billions of years.  i attended the u of w in the mid 60&#039;s and studied math computer science.  what i have seen happen in this field over the past 50 years is stunning. it is people like you and your collegues at the perimenter institute and the IQC that may well be part of changes that will dwarf those of past and time is not your ally. 

good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what an awful experience that must have been.  try to remember that the earth is over 4 billion years old and our time here is &#8220;quantum&#8221; in its length.  do what it takes to put this mess behind you and get on with the wonderful work you and others are doing in the field of quantum computing.  you have a unique and special gift and a chance to be part of something that may well change things in a major way for those who will follow you in the next billions of years.  i attended the u of w in the mid 60&#8242;s and studied math computer science.  what i have seen happen in this field over the past 50 years is stunning. it is people like you and your collegues at the perimenter institute and the IQC that may well be part of changes that will dwarf those of past and time is not your ally. </p>
<p>good luck</p>
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		<title>By: FC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The general and bigger problem is about &quot;culture shock&quot; and its consequences that the
Chinese or oriental youngsters have to face and cope with in US/Canada.
Ideally one would want to have the best of the two cultures; unfortunately,
it does not work out that way even for the most mature.
The university systems are sound in US/Canada. However the same cannot be said for
their public grade school system. The negative effect of its high school education far outweights its opportunity.
Most of the oriental kids are doing extremely well academically here in high schools, but so far there seems a lack of evidence to support their projected successes in society; it appears those who come here for graduate study (especially in US) are doing far better in their career than this group who go through grade school here (with some
qualified exceptions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The general and bigger problem is about &#8220;culture shock&#8221; and its consequences that the<br />
Chinese or oriental youngsters have to face and cope with in US/Canada.<br />
Ideally one would want to have the best of the two cultures; unfortunately,<br />
it does not work out that way even for the most mature.<br />
The university systems are sound in US/Canada. However the same cannot be said for<br />
their public grade school system. The negative effect of its high school education far outweights its opportunity.<br />
Most of the oriental kids are doing extremely well academically here in high schools, but so far there seems a lack of evidence to support their projected successes in society; it appears those who come here for graduate study (especially in US) are doing far better in their career than this group who go through grade school here (with some<br />
qualified exceptions).</p>
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		<title>By: XYab</title>
		<link>http://stargrads.net/blogs/davinci/2009/06/my-depression-in-waterloo-part-13-dropping-out/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>XYab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some (paternal) parents acting like dictators or supreme rulers 
in the (typical Chinese) family; they enjoy power and vanity and don&#039;t want to have their authorities challenged. Some of them fail to recognize the far-reaching
consequences of sending their young kids abroad too early too soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some (paternal) parents acting like dictators or supreme rulers<br />
in the (typical Chinese) family; they enjoy power and vanity and don&#8217;t want to have their authorities challenged. Some of them fail to recognize the far-reaching<br />
consequences of sending their young kids abroad too early too soon.</p>
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